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Thursday, April 20, 2006

KCB - Mark 2:8-9

Mark 2:8-9

«ព្រះអង្គ​ឈ្វេង​យល់​ក្នុង​វិញ្ញាណ​ភ្លាម​ពី​គំនិត​គេ ព្រះ​អង្គ​ក៏មាន​បន្ទូល​ទៅ​កាន់​គេ​ថា​ ៖ «ហេតុ​អ្វី​បាន​ជា​អ្នក​រាល់​គ្នា​គិត​ក្នុង​ចិត្ត​ដូច្នេះ?​ ៩ តើ​ការ​ដែល​និយាយ​ទៅ​កាន់​អ្នក​ស្លាប់​ដៃជើង​ថា​ ៖ «អំពើបាប​របស់​អ្នក​បាន​ទទួល​ការ​លើក​លែង​ទោស​ហើយ» និង​ការ​ដែល​និយាយ​ថា ៖ «ចូរ​ក្រោក​ឡើង យក​កន្ទេល​អ្នក​ដើរ​ទៅ» មួយ​ណា​ស្រួល​ជាង

My only concerns in verse 8 are the words, "ព្រះអង្គ" and the location of, "ភ្លាម"
In the Greek “ιησους” is used (meaning Jesus) but it has been translated as, "ព្រះអង្គ".
I don't feel like there is any reason to do that – I would change it to "ព្រះយេស៊ូ"

Second, the location of "ភ្លាម"
In the Greek verse 8 starts with, “ και 2532 [AND,​ ហើយ] ευθυς 2117 [IMMEDIATELY, ភ្លាម​នោះ]”

In other places where this phrase is at the beginning of a verse the KCB has translated the phrase as “ភ្លាម​នោះ" or as “ហើយភ្លាម​នោះ" (1:12, 18, 20, 23​​...)​ so I am not sure why the translators chose to change their translation in this case (it does not seem any different that any of the other cases, warranting a different translation). Also the in the Greek "ព្រះ​អង្គ​" is not present in the phrase as the translators have translated it, “ព្រះ​អង្គ​ក៏មាន​បន្ទូល....”, so I would remove that because I don't feel it takes away from the Khmer, and it allows the translation to better follow the Greek.

I believe putting “ភ្លាម​នោះ" at the beginning would not interfere with the Khmer, and also allow the text to be closer to the Greek (also, the way it is right now, it could almost mean that the thought traveled really fast into Jesus' spirit, but if put at the beginning of the sentence it would correctly guide the reader to understand that right after the scribes had those thoughts Jesus knew).


Here is my re-translation of verse 8:

ហើយ​ភ្លាម​នោះ​ ព្រះយេស៊ូ​បាន​ឈ្វេង​យល់​ក្នុង​វិញ្ញាណ​របស់​ទ្រង់​​ពី​គំនិត​គេ ​ក៏មាន​បន្ទូល​ទៅ​កាន់​គេ​ថា​ ៖ «ហេតុ​អ្វី​បាន​ជា​អ្នក​រាល់​គ្នា​គិត​ក្នុង​ចិត្ត​ដូច្នេះ?


In verse 9, my concerns are again about sentence order. The way the translation is currently seems top heavy and hard to read. Also, the phrase, "យក​កន្ទេល​អ្នក​ដើរ​ទៅ" to me does not sound complete, so I changed the wording, doing my best to follow the Greek as well as get the Khmer correct. To me, it seems as if the question is split in two, so I feel like it should be put at the end to help it be clear in Khmer.


To start, here's a Greek/English Interlinear with Khmer added:

τι 5101[WHICH, តើ​មួយ​ណា] εστιν 2076(5748)[IS, គឺជា] ευκοπωτερον 2123[EASIER, ស្រួល​ជាង] ειπειν 2036(5629)[TO SAY,​ និយាយ] τω 3588[TO THE, ទៅ​កាន់] παραλυτικω 3885[PARALYTIC, អ្នក​ស្លាប់​ដៃជើង] αφεωνται 863(5769)[HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN, បាន​ទទួល​ការ​លើក​លែង​ទោស​ហើយ] σοι 4671 αι 3588[THEE "THY", អ្នក] αμαρτιαι 266[SINS, អំពើបាប] η 2228[OR, ] ειπειν 2036(5629)[TO SAY, និយាយ] εγειραι 1453(5669)[ARISE, ក្រោក​ឡើង] και 2532[AND, ហើយ] αρον 142(5657)[TAKE UP, ស្រវា] σου 4675 τον 3588[THY, របស់​អ្នក] κραββατον 2895[COUCH, កន្ទេល] και 2532[AND, ហើយ] περιπατει 4043(5720)[WALK?, ដើរ?]


Here is my re-translation (putting the question at the end, in order to keep things clear in Khmer):

ការ​​និយាយ​ទៅ​កាន់​អ្នក​ស្លាប់​ដៃជើង​​ថា ៖ «អំពើបាប​របស់​អ្នក​បាន​ទទួល​ការ​លើក​លែង​ទោស​ហើយ» ឬ​និយាយថា ៖ «ចូរ​ក្រោក​ឡើង​ យក​កន្ទេល​របស់​អ្នក ហើយ​ដើរទៅ» តើ​មួយ​ណា​ងាយ​ស្រួល​និយាយ​ជាង?

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